It was in 1990 or 1991 at my first station in Germany when my husband and I met Harvey. He was married to a coworker of mine, and the four of us hit it off and would often socialize. On one occasion, he challenged us to answer the four questions, and I surprised him by answering them all appropriately. He then initiated us into the International Association of Turtles Imperial Jewel Chapter. I still have my membership card.